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Hem Bhai Rami Borani ki Story Pad kay Maja aa gaya iskay liyai aap badhai kay patr hai ........

रामी बौराणी की लोककथा को आधार बनाकर लिखा गया एक लेख आप इस लिंक पर पङ सकते हैं.

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शुक्रिया भाई!

Hem Bhai Rami Borani ki Story Pad kay Maja aa gaya iskay liyai aap badhai kay patr hai ........

रामी बौराणी की लोककथा को आधार बनाकर लिखा गया एक लेख आप इस लिंक पर पङ सकते हैं.

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CONTROVERY ON RAMI BAURANI SONG : ANY VIEWS ?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2009, 11:48:54 AM »


please go through the article from Mr Bckukreti and you would like to response ..

From : bckukreti@gmail.com
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Dear All,
Please find my new article on the most famous song ever created in the history of  Garhwali society. i feel that we should condemn and should not encouraage our creator for creating such antiwomen songs.
Your views are welcomed
regards
Bhishma Kukreti
 
 
Rami Baurani song should be banned for ever

Bhishma kukreti

(This articles is dedicated to those Garhwali women who had *ual indulgences with other men due to their husbands did not come to Garhwal for years and our society discarded them. These women were named as ‘papan, patar etc’. Some of them were forced to live with their parents and live in guilt for whole life. Some were forced to run away from Garhwal and spent all their life as prostitutes in plains of India. Some were fortunate enough to remarry but they were seen as sinful creatures in our society. This article is written for asking those women to pardon our society who were cruel to them and no faults of their .This article is a khsama prarthana to those women who were deprived from their biological right to have *ual relationship in the long absence of their husbands)

Yes, I am writing this letter to you in my full consciousness . I did not take any alcoholic drink for many days, therefore, chances of writing in alcoholic influence is also not there that stating the phrase ‘One of the most famous and popular Garhwali songs Rami Baurani should be banned for ever.’ I don’t take hemp, LSD or charas etc. Therefore, you can not say that ‘bhanglya kuch be bol sakata hai or only the drug taker can speak about such headless matter ’ . Very recently I joined a new organization and there have been my complete medical check up. The doctor never reported that I am insane. Thus, my statement is not the statement of an insane man.

I feel that Rami Baurani lyric is an abuse to womanhood. In my opinion, Rami Baurani is a direct insult to motherhood and the God. The verse is against the nature or humanity too. This song is disgusting, hatred and around 1930, Baldev Prasad Sharma ‘Deen’ , consciously or consciously created this malevolent or devilish song for affronting or insulting the daughters, sisters, daughter in laws, aunts or mothers. Garhwali women of past, present and future will never forgive the terrible, awful, cruel and aberrant intention of Baldev Prasad .
I read this story and song when I was in fifth standard and perhaps the name of booklet was Shyam Chham Ghughuru Bajal published by Shyam Book Depo, Dehradun. This song became popular instantly with its creation only and gained the status of Garhwali folk song.
The Story.

The story of Rami Baurani song is that just after marriage, Rami’s husband goes to Delhi for joining the army of Humayun . He did not come to Garhwal for twelve year ; neither he sent any information for his where about. He returned back in the form of a Jogi or sadhu to his village and saw Rami busy in roadside field. He asked her introduction and she replied that she is the daughter of Rawat family and daughter in law of Setun’ (wealthy family). Rami also tells that her husband had left her, she is passing her time with pain of separation with her husband and she is wishing to die:
jwunra ku ghar ni maiku
Swami vichhoh huyun jainku
Rami’s husband wants to take her test for knowing her solitary devotion (prativratata ) for her husband and he inveigled her by saying
chal baurani chhailu baithi jaula
Apni khairi wakhimi laagaula
Rami became furious and she shouts on him, criticizes his ill-indented endeavor and discards him for is sinful intention :
ja jogi apna bath lag
Mera sharil na laga aag
She takes him left and right, condemns his errant desire and reminds him the characteristics of a ascetic person:
jogi hwaik bi aankhi ni khuli
Chhailu baithali teri deedee bhuli

Rami’s husband in the form of an ascetic comes to village and persuades his mother (who does not recognizes his own son) for food. His mother calls Rami to prepare food for the ascetic. Un-heartedly , she prepares food for sinful ascetic person . When food is ready, the Sadhu asks her to offer food on the plate, which is reserved only for her husband:
Malu ka patta man dharu bhaat
Main teru bhaat ni leednu haath
Rami ki swami ki thali manj
Bhat de roti khaulun mi aj
Rami became angry with full of rage and abuses the sadhu:
Khandi chhe jogi t khai lhedi
Ni khandu jogi t jai lhedi
Batera jogi jholi lheki
Rojana ghumik ni paunda bheek
Now, the Jogi or Rami’s husband opens his secret. After knowing the secret of Jogi , Rami and his mother becomes happy.
*ual attraction and indulgence is natural and instinctive
This lyric is called the auspicious gem of Garhwali poetry created ever in our language history. No poem could thrilled, could reach to the masses, could be part and partial of Garhwali society as Rami Baurani became the part of our daily life.
Even, most of the Garhwali language creative do not know that Rami Baurani is not a folk song but created by Baldev Prasad Sharma Deen. The reason behind its popularity is that around 1930, the migration of men from Garhwal was becoming common and females were feeling pain of separation from theirs husbands in Garhwali villages. There in Garhwal, many incidents were taking place wherein many women pained by separation from her husbands for many years had to indulge themselves *ual relationship with other village fellows and these incidents were breaking many social orders of the society. This lyric sparked every body’s soul, ego, intellect and mind. Timing was perfect for this song to be so popular.
Now, my point is that why every time the woman had to give the test for her non- pervertedness and why not men were judged by our society from their sinful acts. Ram tested Sita three times for her pativrata character and no faults of her. Here, in this song, Rami was tested by her husband for knowing her prativrata character. Though, the fault is of Rami’s husband that he did not return home for twelve years.
If at all Rami indulges *ual relationship with other man or men, it is not her fault because we are human beings and to have *ual relationship is our basic requirement. I say bluntly, if a mature man or woman does not show desire for *ual intercourse for more than a year, ten she or he should be shown to doctor and not to be regarded as faithful to husband or wife, fidelity to husband, chaste, virtuous or Brahma Chari but she or he is ill, is sick, having some physical or mental disorder and certainly requires medical treatment.
Rami Baurani is written by a male human being and just for showing the unnatural and superficial supremacy of a male human being over females. Rami Baurani is against the biological right of females to have *ual or emotional relationship. Rami Baurani song is just to denying the biological and psychological aspects of our life and just to inspire the society to throw those poor women out of our society who become the victim of being natural or being a real woman whose main biological objective is to attract males that she can give birth to another human being. Rami Baurani song is nothing but is the case of male is satisfying his big male-ego by telling the whole world that his wife is virtuous for him.
Even this song is against to create new adjustments, new social norms, new social intolerance in the society in the context of migration from Garhwal . Today or in early twentieth century, the migration is a reality and wife having an instinctive *ual or emotional relation with other man is bound to happen. In such realism or circumstances, the creative people should create an atmosphere of tolerance among both *es that husband -wife relation are not broken but saved by tolerant methodologies. Baldev Prasad Sharma Deen by creating Rami Baurani stopped the stream of tolerances in these new circumstances of migration. Garhwali women will never forgive Baldev Prasad Sharma Deen who insulted womanhood and biological right of women.

Wrong Notion

Many males argue that females are more emotional than males in terms of *ual relationship. These males argued that when a woman indulges * with other man than husband she also involves herself emotionally and she divide her devotion or family responsibilities. What a nonsense or absurd argument it is ? On the contrary, the women are less involved emotionally while indulging * with other men than their husbands. We know that the prostitutes (they are women) has to involve themselves in *ual acts but they are not involved emotionally as perceived by males. The woman has a natural tendency and capacity to adjust the emotion of devotion for her husband even after *ual intercourse with other males. On the contrary, males are weak prey in terms of balancing emotions in terms of devotion to wife and family. This is the reasons that usually, a males goes to same prostitute more than often because males divide their emotional attachment than the women do. When a male indulges *ual relationship with other woman than his wife, he tells the whole world to show his maleness capabilities but a women is emotionally so strong that she, usually, never tells the story around.

Maharishi Valmiki created Ramayana and also sow the seeds of testing the virtuousness of a woman . This tendency did not stop in this technical era too. My question is simple that why our society is interested to test the virtuousness of females and not bothered to asses the virtuousness of males too. Male has many ways and means to satisfy his biological need of *ual desire without the aid of female partner. But female does not have such perfect alternate for satisfying her *ual need without the help of a male. In such case the society should test the virtuousness of male and not the females.

Baldev Prasad did not mention a word about the virtuousness of Rami’s husband. Why he could not create a word to tell us about the state of Rami’s husband in terms of his relation with other women when he (Rami’s husband) was out of Garhwal for twelve years.. This song is definitely written for diminishing the basic biological right of a woman. This song should be banned from all media such as audio cassettes, video cassettes, Internet etc.
This song is also the biggest obstacle for our society creating new norms, new commandments, new tolerances, new orders in the era of migration, transfer in profession, traveling in profession and the culture of working couple in our society. This song is based on false notions and is no use in our new society. We should condemn this type of psychology where women are discriminated and should also make awareness that creators do not create inhumanly songs like Rami Baurani. The Garhwali society should ban this song by self-disciplinary methods

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please go through the article from Mr Bckukreti and you would like to response ..




It is correct to say that why women were always put to test whether it was Sita and Rami Baurani. But just because Sita was asked to prove her chastity, we can not demand to ban Ramayana.

Baldev Prasad created a strong character in form of woman who is married and considers it a sin to involve with other men. So simple :)

I will not go into the *exual tendencies or desires of men or women. This is altogether different topic to disuss. I however don’t understand why Kukretiji chose the story of Rami Baurani to push forward his theories on *exual practices, preferences and tendencies of men and women.

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Please see the dicussion on this subject.

Dear Jyatho Dagdya Parashar Ji,

I am grateful to you that you and Vivek Patwal ji initiated to expand the dialogue on the one of the two songs (another is too wheli beera), which became our part and partial in Garhwal and desh too. There is no doubt in my mind that ‘Rami Baurani” is a classic example of a poem influencing the psych of society as a whole. I have been listening this song from the moment I started to understand the language and I came to know its historical details from the book I mentioned in my article.

You asked me, “ Why did the thinker and visionary person like you focused on only single point of the classic poetry, while, there are many other unforgettable raptures, emotions, subject in the verse of Baldev Prasad Deen .”

Definitely, there are many touchy scenes in the verse and many writers have written about the verse. However, my subject is the pain of those women who suffered because of their husbands absenting for many years and not the anatomy off the poem.

You are interested to know the reasons behind writing that I am not drunk, I am not under the influence of bhangul or LSD and I am not insane too. If you read my old articles, this is my own style to stress the subject. If I am attacking one of the two song creators (another is Jeet Singh Negi of tu whaili Beera) who influenced our society so much as Kabeer, Tulasi Das or Nyandev of Nyaneshwari (Geeta in Marathi), Subramanium of Tamilnadu influenced their societies, I have to prove that when I wrote this article with stable mind and with sound health. The thought for writing this article was quite old . When I discussed the subject matter with my wife, she told bluntly, “ The readers will think that you are insane.” I discussed my intention with a young Garhwali woman (who is born and brought in Mumbai) , she also told that no body can dare to attack such a nice song, which is also known to a Garhwali youth who does not know much about Garhwal and this peculiar problem. When I just told to an aged Garhwali woman that Rami Baurani song is absurd, she told, “ e ram da harek Janani Rami jan hundi ta roon I kile chau!” . That is the reason that I had to explain in details about my stable mind. I never wrote any article while I am enjoying alcoholic drink. Definitely , I think a lot when cherishing my drink with company or alone.

In your second paragraph, you wrote, “ You spent much words on the physical attraction and biological attraction between a female and male and completely avoid the fidelity, devotion, commitment, loyalty, entrustment and sacrifice of Rami (the ideal model for our society) for her husband . You also avoid other important aspects (subject and construction of poem) of poem . Your statement will provoke intellectuals for new discussion.”

Yes definitely, my intention was to discuss those biological inspired moments when a female indulges herself *ual union with other man in the long absence of her husband and our society starts blaming the female and not the male my point of view is also there to point out the subject that in such conditions, males are spared and females are left to suffer forever .Indirectly, making Rami as sati savitri, seeta or pavitra nari Baldev Prasad Sharma Deen supported that those females should be discarded who by biological attraction indulge * with other man in the long absence of husband. Baldev Prasad, intentionally, pushed the thought to hate , throw away from society, punish those women who become the victims of circumstances and purely biological needs.

As far as, nishtha, pativrata, sati, pavitra (devotion, virtuousness, virginity, purity ) or nationality, caste, religion are the words of ego-satisfaction and as a biology students and research students , I can say that there is no connection of these words with human’s biological characters.

Thank you very much for supporting me that females should be tested about their purity in context of *ual indulgences with other men than husbands but males should be measured too by the same scale and social norms by which females are measured.

You talked about maryada (restriction, disciplines or resolutions) . Yes we should obey the social norms, discipline, social regulations or laws but there should not be discrimination or differences in making or following those norms. If there are norms, which are irrelevant today, we should start making discarding them.

I once again request to my society to ban rami Baurani song, which supports discrimination against women
 




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Bhishma Kukreti



On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Parashar Gaur <parashargaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

गुरुदेव ,
     'रामी बौराणी"  पर आपका लेख व विचार पड़े !  पड़कर थोडा आश्चर्य इसलिए भी होआ की आप जैसे सोचकार ,विषय पर पकड़ रखने वाले दूरदर्शी ने ,  केवल एक ही पक्ष को समक्ष रखकर उस गीत के विवेचना की जब की दीन जी के गीत व कविता के भाव कुछ और भी कहते है ! 
     आप ये क्यूँ सोचते है की जैसे आपने लेख से पहेले लिखा की मै पुरे होश हवास में ये लिख रहा हूँ मैंने ,  ना तो मैने शराब का सेवन किया है , ना ही  भंगुलू का ?  तो क्या आप इस से पहेले नशा करके लिखते रहे है !   येसा लिखकर आप क्या कहने का प्रयाश करना चा रहे है ! जहा तक मै समझता हूँ आप के हर लेख व बहश में आप के विचारों की गहनता पकड़ और उस पर ज्ञान साफ़ दिखता है  तो इस गीत के लिए ये सब लिखने के क्या आवश्यकता आन पडी ! 
     आपने दीन जी के इस गीत जिसमे उन्होंने समूचे भारतीय नारी जात या वर्ग की निष्ठा व आदर्शो  जिसमे नारी का अपने पत्ति के प्रती सम्पूर्ण निष्ठा पूर्ण समर्पण के भाव साफ़ जहलाकते है को अन देखा केर केवल पुरुष व स्त्री
के बीच समोहन व शाररिक समंधो को देखा कर उस पर एक अच्हा ख़ास लंबा जिसमे आप के अपने विचार है लिख कर इस गीत के अन्य पक्षों  के भाव अनदेखा करने की बात कहा कर एक नई बहस शुरू कर दी ! 
     आप लिखते है और उदाहरण भी देते है की  क्यूँ हरबार स्त्री को हे परीक्षा देनी होती है  जैसा की इस गीत में भी रामी की परीक्षा उसके ही पति द्वारा ली जाती है  एसा  क्यूँ होता है  ?   स्त्री और संनादर को  मरियादों का प्रतीक माना जाता है ! जब जब इन्होने अपनी पानी सीमाए तोडी या लाघने का प्रयाश किया तब तब हम हमारे समाज व व्यक्तिगत जीवन में उत्तार चडाऊ आये है !  समाज को चलाने के लिए नियम्मो की आवश्यकता होती है !
मानता हूँ की हक़ सबको एक जैसा होना चाहिए लेकिन पीडी दर पीडी स्व चे आ रहे  परम्परा को  तोड़ने में समय लगेगा !
 
     हां मै आप के इस तर्क के साथ पूर्ण रूप से सहमत हूँ की जैसे स्त्री की परीक्षा ली जाती रही है ठीक उसी तरह पुरुष की भी होनी चाहिए  लकिन फिर सवाल उठ खडा होता है की क्यूँ नहीं होती ? तो उसका जबाब है की सरे नियम कानून आज तक  पुरुष ही बनाता आया है तो उसने सारे अचछे फायदे वाले नियम अपने लिए बना डाले ! जिसका फायदा आप और मै भी लेते आ रहे है !
   
      आपने रामी बौरानी के स्त्री पुरुष  को केवल भोग के रूप में देखा ना के समाज के  मरियाद के उन दो मजबूत खाम्बू को जो समकालीन व आने वाले समय के लिए  एक उदाहरण तौर पर ! यहाँ पर रामी केवल भोग
की बस्तु नहीं है वो मरियादों के तहत सम्पूर्ण निष्ठा की प्रतीक है !  उसका पति समय का प्रतीक है !  दोनों  हमारे जीवन में प्रेरणा के सूचक है !  उस समय जैसा अपने स्यम स्व्वाकार है की अगर कोइ व्यक्ति इतने लाब्मे अंतराल के लिए अपनी  पत्नी  से  अलग हो तो उसका अन्य पुरुष से संपर्क होना कोई बात नहीं तो आप जब ये बात कहते है तो ये क्यूँ भूल  जाते हो की पुरुष अगर इतने समय के बाद आता है तो उसके हिर्दय में अपने पत्नी के  चरित्र के  प्रत्ति शंका का उपजन क्या स्वीकार्निया नहीं

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Dear friends,
I could not understand how the banning of Rami Bourani song alone shall help to do justice to the sufferings of  women. The custom of marriage have been established to  regulate  not only the  ***ual behaviour of the society but also to take care of the kids  born in the process.     Baldev Singh Deen wrote this song as per the value & norms  of that time to show the triumph of the institutions of  family & marriage.     Internet ki raanginiyon see hai aaj ki jindgani, bailgaadi ke jamane waali hai ye wafa ki kahani.   Jehan ko baandh jism se, jismo me udne se kaya hasil?
If we want to say that  the writer should have not depicted Rami as  a Moorti  of Tyag and Samrpan... that also does not make any difference as in the uttrakahndi folklores  on one hand we come accross the  the women like Rami on the other we also come accross the women who  indulge with other persons and those other persons  are accepted as "aangarkattya bhai" by their hubbies.   So  a society has every thing.     However,  there would be some women  who still like  to follow  Rami despite of  banning of Rami song and at the same time there will be some who  want to enjoy the freedom  their men do.   I shall urge that we may leave the song & its writer  and  should search some other platfom to discuss the  needs of the  women But  I am wrong , Only women have this right  as they are well competent  to decide what is good or wrong for them.  We  should not   indulge our selves in verbal ****ality in the name of  a song.

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भीष्म कुकरेती जी का नाम मैने एक लेखक के तौर पर सुना था. लेकिन रामी बौराणी जैसे महान चरित्र के बारे में उनके विचार पढ कर घोर निराशा हुई. हमारे उत्तराखण्ड के समाज में कुछ गिने-चुने चरित्र ऐसे हैं जिनका जीवन आने वाली पीढियों में अपने समाज के प्रति गौरव पैदा करता है. रामी बौराणी भी एक ऐसा ही चरित्र है जो पलायन से ग्रसित पहाङ की उन महिलाओं का प्रतिनिधित्व करती हैं जिन्हें अपने पति के साथ रहने का मौका कभी-कभार ही मिल पाता है. अगर कुकरेती जी पहाङों में रहे हैं तो उन्हें पता होगा कि आज भी लगभग हर घर से एक सदस्य सेना से जुङा है. एक सैनिक को साल में अधिकतम सिर्फ़ ढाई महीने की छुट्टी मिलती है. ऐसे सैनिकों की घर पर रह रही महिलाएं अपने बच्चों और परिवार की भलाई को सर्वोपरि रखती हैं. शायद उन सभी महिलाओं में रामी बौराणी का ही कुछ अंश है जिस कारण हमारे समाज की गिनती भारत के सभ्यतम समाजों में होती है.

माना कि प्रत्येक मनुष्य की शारीरिक जरुरतें होती हैं, लेकिन कुछ विरले लोग ही होते हैं जो आत्मसंयम से खुद को नैतिकता के दायरे में रख पाते हैं. लोगों के दिलों में चिरस्थाई स्मृति वो ही लोग बना पाते हैं जो अपने जीवन में कुछ ऐसा कर जाते हैं जिसकी सामान्य मनुष्यों से अपेक्षा नही की जाती.

कुकरेती जी से से मेरा करबद्ध निवेदन है कि आजकल के टीवी चैनलों की तरह "सनसनीखेज" या "ब्रैकिंग न्यूज" वाली वैचारिकता को बढावा न दें. उत्तराखण्ड के सन्दर्भ में सकारात्मक बातों को बढावा देने की कृपा करें.

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kaisa anand joshiji ? aap kukreti ji se sahmat hai ya  auro se ?

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Sorry kaafi late padh raha hun yeh discussion. Main bhi Kukreti ji ki baat se sahmat nahi hun. Rami Baurani humare samaaj main Sati Savitri ka sthan rakhti hai. is hisaab se to Sati Savitri bhi galat thi. Unhe kya jarurat thi apne pati ke saath chita main baithne ki?

 

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